Re: Ningishzidda

[LadyHydralisk]

Here's the lamp of Ningishzidda, uncovered at Lagash:



Here is a painting of Apep:

[LadyHydralisk]

Environment again I think...water was a big deal to the Greeks...

But again...Apsu & Tiamat are the Primal Waters...so it all pans out really...

m1

thanks for speaking m1thr0s.

I want to work a little more on this elemental layering and find out what's behind it all. There's not enough in the books, so perhaps experimentation will yield more results.

[deviadah]

Another Apep:

[m1thr0s]

Now Apep? Xst, man...talk about a rabbit-hole...this thing just never stops.
I was completely unaware of the Apep connection...Nice work you two...

I'm telling you though...at a certain point you have to begin to ask yourself where the hell does Ng NOT make his/her debut...

And yet somehow...throughout all of that...still it comes down to us today as a complete mystery.

one of the most bizarre mysteries unfolding in modern occultism...

I don't know about anybody else but I find this particular alchemical *angle* a LOT more engaging than, say, Paracelsus...and I LIKE Paracelsus...but this is cosmic...this is something really very big. It all winds up coming back to Genetics by the way...and genetic alchemy in particular...we've only just touched on that so far. Ng is all about the Body of Man...and bodies, in general...ALL bodies...

Ningishzidda has laid the foundation to what i have been calling *global* alchemy...what we are witnessing is the persistent evolution of a common alchemical theme across many cultures...many time periods...very much centered on medicine and consciousness as its principal focus throughout...

This is the healing art we are tracking here...this is not so much about gunpowder and all that other crapola...

m1thr0s

[LadyHydralisk]

Yes Apep's head is said to be made of flint, too, so there's your fire connection....

[m1thr0s]

I think that to really understand the Spirit/Fire fusion, you may have to know a little about classical qabbalah. There is a certain pecking order to the elements, mirrored both east and west, with spirit at apex, descending into fire as the root element of either the 4 or the 8 additional elements, depending on which path you take. So Fire is Father (Pangenetor) and Heaven predominently and we get iconography like firebirds and serpents and dragons and winged forms of all kinds etc...a rich array of emblems across the board including the Djinn and the Phoenix and Winged Globes and just all kinds of stuff...

So it it said then that Fire contains all the other elements within itself and of course we can see an easy parallel with this to stars for instance...yet even fire itself descends from Spirit so spirit always comes first.

What this means though is that we may see indications of other elements in Fire that would seem to belong to other elemental categories...such as air or earth or water etc... Moreso that we find operating in reverse.

[LadyHydralisk]

It seems weird...I mean...huh....

Spirit/Akasha lends fire wings, so what does it lend to air?

I was thinking psi. What animals would be associated with it? Unicorns?

nevermind, I will return to this later when I have studied some more.

I use the Bardonian system where

Fire and Water are the originals, and then you have Air as a communicative device that arrises from the presence of fire seeking water, and then earth as a union of those three. Akasha is treated as an underlying element that powers everything else.

I guess Unicorns would be pure spirit, alchemical air might be electricity right, so...lol pikachu...

[deviadah]

I've read somewhere that if you grind up the horn of a unicorn it is one of the main ingredients of the Elixir of Life... but this is probably just an old wives tale.

Perhaps we should consider the work of Anton Mesmer?

Mesmer suggests that the movement of the universal fluid could easily be observed in an illness. He was convinced that this fluid flowed through both animate and inanimate bodies. Most easily observed in organic nature in the properties of magnetism. Mesmer called its parrallel form in the human body animal magnetism. The temporary relief he provided periodically could become a permanent cure if reinforced properly.

The power of the magnet itself was not the source of the curative effect. Mesmer realised that the power to direct the currents, the animal magnetism, to cleanse and restore the patient was bound to the will of the physician.

Anyway not to stray too far away from the subject at hand all animals possess a form of energy that us humans lack, or keep dormant within us. I am sure if we can awake this force it would feel like wings of fire!

Just imagine if our senses were that of an animal while at the same time we have our superior intelligence; now that would be a trip!

[LadyHydralisk]

Oh yes I like animals and animal nature, they are very innocent.

Grinding the horn of a unicorn? That's dreadful. It's like Voldemort sucking on unicorn blood. Gross.

To be funny I replaced my forum's censored word list with m1thr0s for ningishzidda and ningishzidda for m1thr0s, so all instances replace each other.

It makes the forum fucking hilarious....oh god I can't stop laughing.

Don't tell m1 what the link is. (haha!)

So today I noticed DNA isn't the be all end of all of human development, alot of our features come from enviroment, and apparently even our DNA can be shaped later in life even after childhood by enviromental factors. (stress kills!)

Edit:

awww I got stripped of admin for that practical joke....what a bunch of retards I put in charge

[deviadah]

So today I noticed DNA isn't the be all end of all of human development, alot of our features come from enviroment, and apparently even our DNA can be shaped later in life even after childhood by enviromental factors. (stress kills!)

Yeah, this is my feeling too.

Perhaps suicide is an effect of too much DNA mutation? Speaking of course of those that kill themselves out of will, too much intelligence and such - not from loosing ones job or something like it.

[LadyHydralisk]

Well I don't know, it can get lonely when you have nothing but your own mind to bounce ideas off of...is that what you mean?

Some guys are really just so dumb you can run them like a computer...really, input in, output predictable...

so you have to make life a little more interesting for yourself when you're more intelligent or you just die of boredom and this could include suicide I guess...

But who knows...

[Gunderic Mollusk]

While genetic study isn't my forte, I was wondering if we had any clues for the shapes of RNA, since many sources seem to be saying it's just as important, if not moreso, than DNA for determining traits.

On the flint-head thing, an interesting note that Dev may remember from the Hrungmismal is how Thor received a piece of flint in his brow (third eye?) after smiting the giant Hrungnir. Further related is Thor and Jormundgandr's mutual annihilation, tying back to the serpent theme, if not the Orouboros. This is a bit of a divergence, and I apologize for such, but it seems to corroborate the notions of global alchemy as stated earlier.

[Gunderic Mollusk]

Well, the will to destroy oneself, as posited by Robert Bloom in The Lucife Principle, comes from a lack of purpose in th greater context, whether actual or perceived. Communal animals who have no nurturance upon birth end up self-mutilating much of the time, and sometimes just die on their own. This is in response to Dev's suicide statement.

[LadyHydralisk]

That's very true. Sometimes self-mutilation can take on surprisingly subtle and insidious avenues in humans, because we are such complex animals. Cigarettes and alcohol abuse are two obvious examples, but other things like plastic surgery, reading trashy magazines and watching soap operas are three I can think of that damage women emotionally and physically. I have an aunt in law who died from complications related to breast implants leaking and the same goes for men generally now, too - though I really don't keep up with GQ or Maxim anymore than I do Cosmopolitan....a little fashion is ok but it's not generating any good for mankind in general at an obnoxious level.

Something else to consider is the state of man at this point in time, reflecting back to a time when swords and death was an everyday reality of a turbulent enviroment such as it was in Ancient Mesopotamia, Ningishzidda has an entirely new context in light of science and nuclear physics and so forth - we're seeing Ng revisited like never before. As it is with many ancient gods - Anubis has turned from dead soul helper to character out of a horror film in popular media (which counts often more than the odd pagan instance, I think)

There's a lot that can be learned from revisiting the old gods on new terms, so one may find out more about Ningishzidda by also revisitng some of his contemporaries, such as Nergal, Bau, Erishkigal and Inanna...what are they doing today (in the human psyche drama)?

[Gunderic Mollusk]

Agh. I mean. Howard Bloom.

One thing to also consider is how a deity, regardless of name, has a modern analogue in one form or another. Dagda of Celtic myth, Wodan, and Cernunnos all jumble together into Santa Claus, for instance. The general populace has deified Marilyn Munroe, who herself was a persona akin to a posession of Norma Jean IforgotherlastnameandI'msorryforthat, who may very well be something like a modern analogue to Aphrodite that couldn't be sustained in a human form (hence Norma Jean's subsequent suicide).