Alchemy, Chemistry, and Acquiring the Philosopher's Stone

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Re: Alchemy, Chemistry, and Acquiring the Philosopher's Stone

Post  Illen A. Cluf on Sun Dec 28, 2008 10:41 pm

pierre wrote:The old masters under a veil of sincerity just told us of the truth 50% and of that 50% truth, the half was a lie.
That is one reason why alchemy is the study of a lifetime.


So true, but in my case, I may only have a decade or two to sort out all the lies.

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Re: Alchemy, Chemistry, and Acquiring the Philosopher's Stone

Post  solomon levi on Mon Dec 29, 2008 2:09 am

I'm quite certain that a tingeing stone can be made spagyrically.
I don't think all those authors that wrote plainly could be wrong or false -
For example, Glauber and Sir Kenelm Digby give several chemical recipes for the Philosophers' Stone
that were supposedly attained by themselves or someone they knew or some ancient author.

Of course I can't answer for certain until I do it myself or witness someone else, but I don't
see any reason why not. Chemists have manipulated electrons for "transmutations" without
considering if the metals were living or dead.

I think the true alchemists felt it important to stress the natural origin of the first matter and that it is
given by god and available to rich and poor alike. It's important to wonder at these miracles of nature.
Spagyrics sort of side-steps that and gives the awe to man, and there were and are those who feel it is
important not to exalt the self. I think it is/was these efforts that incline some to insist on purity.
It is a wonder that this thing is sought by many and found by but a few - this thing that is everywhere
and most do not know it. There is a reason for that - regardless of whether the alchemists write
cryptically or plainly.

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Re: Alchemy, Chemistry, and Acquiring the Philosopher's Stone

Post  phliosehea on Mon Dec 29, 2008 7:49 am

Intent is a hard fish to catch.

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Re: Alchemy, Chemistry, and Acquiring the Philosopher's Stone

Post  Illen A. Cluf on Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:26 pm

solomon levi wrote:I'm quite certain that a tingeing stone can be made spagyrically.


solomon levi wrote:Of course I can't answer for certain until I do it myself or witness someone else,


That's the whole point. Nobody can be certain of what any of the old adepts actually meant until one has produced the Stone him/herself. Nothing can be taken literally, and nothing can be taken as the truth, except perhaps in their philosophical sections where they talked about the importance of observing nature.

solomon levi wrote:It is a wonder that this thing is sought by many and found by but a few - this thing that is everywhere and most do not know it. There is a reason for that - regardless of whether the alchemists write cryptically or plainly.


I agree. Whether or not we ever attain to the Stone, the journey itself can be filled with a considerable amount of new knowledge and understandings.

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