Re: ORMUS, ORMEs, M-State & Monatomic Transition Metals

[BeautifulEvil]

Hi spiralwave, where did you get this material from? Most of the ORME style white gold you buy off the internet is actually gold hydroxide, or some other gold salt. These are quite toxic, and most often will result in a form of heavy metal poisoning from gold. The theory is ORME style white gold is not processed by the body in the same manner as gold salts, and thus will not result in heavy metal poisoning.

I would be weary of this substance if you did not make it yourself.

Also, if you try to prepare the high spin state ORME style monatomic elements from the patent instructions, you will be unsuccessful in the end. You will need to impregnate the white gold/iridium/etc in some form of temperature resistant matrix. This maintains the monatomic state, which would normally be lost if processed in the normal manner.

[spiralwave]

Hi spiralwave, where did you get this material from? Most of the ORME style white gold you buy off the internet is actually gold hydroxide, or some other gold salt. These are quite toxic, and most often will result in a form of heavy metal poisoning from gold. The theory is ORME style white gold is not processed by the body in the same manner as gold salts, and thus will not result in heavy metal poisoning.

I would be weary of this substance if you did not make it yourself.

Also, if you try to prepare the high spin state ORME style monatomic elements from the patent instructions, you will be unsuccessful in the end. You will need to impregnate the white gold/iridium/etc in some form of temperature resistant matrix. This maintains the monatomic state, which would normally be lost if processed in the normal manner.

I got 3 different sources to try it. One was from whitepowdergold.com another from zptech.com and another from a alchemist acquaintance I met.

I wanted to see if anyone here had tried ormus but apparently not. I would like to learn more alchemy and try making some or something myself. I honestly am not really confident this is real alchemic ormus but it is something and it does have some effects.

sorry i just saw this reply just now.

[BeautifulEvil]

What are the effects? Does it make you sweat? Does it feel slightly "psychoactive?"

I'd like to compare the results of say, an ormus preparation, with something like the aurum potabile.

[deviadah]

A friend of mine wanted wanted me to ask BeautifulEvil: if he has taken some of the newly available strong mono-atomic gold?

[BeautifulEvil]

Hi deviadah, tell your friend this:

I have not taken any commercial available m-state preparations. When dealing with commercial products, it's difficult to determine whether or not what you're ingesting is safe, or dangerous. When we're dealing with metallic salts (gold salts, silver salts, etc) it becomes very dangerous because these are often highly toxic. Of course, when we're dealing with pure colloidal metals, or m-state metals, this is a different situation all together.

I would be very weary of commercial products or preparations. Unless you know what you're getting is the real deal.

So in short, no I have not tried any of the newly available strong m-state gold, and truthfully, any commercially available m-state product.

[deviadah]

Thanks!

I would be very weary of commercial products or preparations...

So would I...

[solomon levi]

Even making this oneself is no guarantee. I've known lots of people who made crap m-state.
If making from the salt waters, you mustn't use polluted water.
When precipitating you must stir vigorously to avoid areas of high pH concentration.
You must also add your lye solution slowly and patiently, for the same reason.
You must wash your precipitate well so it has no taste of salt.
To get a really good product you must eliminate the hydroxides and anneal the m-state.

Also, I wouldn't advise taking m-state gold first.
You should prepare your body, physical and energy body, by first taking m-11, ocean water m-state.
After a month you can go to m-3, Great Salt lake which is iridium, rhodium and gold.
This will heal any chronic diseases and injured cells. This has a fair portion of gold in it.

David Hudson said after giving m-state iridium and rhodium to someone @ 250 mgs each,
after four or five days you will here the ringing sound of your aura/meisner field. He gave this dose for 40 days.
Then the dose was increased to 2500 mgs, and after a few days the person started having spontaneous
kundalini several times a day.

The gold m-state, say both David Hudson and the Essene, is not medicinal, but for psychic and elevation of
consciousness. But it doesn't GIVE you a spiritual consciousness; it elevates and fixates whatever you are,
so you don't want to take this without some preperation and training your mind.
Imagine that your thoughts will start to manifest... are you ready for that? Will your thoughts injure yourself
or others?
Read "The Red Lion" by Maria Szepes.

http://www.amazon.com/Red-Lion-Elixir-Eternal-Life/dp/0965262170/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1218668695&sr=1-1

[BeautifulEvil]

Even making this oneself is no guarantee. I've known lots of people who made crap m-state.
If making from the salt waters, you mustn't use polluted water.
When precipitating you must stir vigorously to avoid areas of high pH concentration.
You must also add your lye solution slowly and patiently, for the same reason.
You must wash your precipitate well so it has no taste of salt.
To get a really good product you must eliminate the hydroxides and anneal the m-state.

Ah, just the person to help me!

I purchased some Dead Sea salt a week or two ago, and finally got it in yesterday. I've had a chance to play with the procedure some, only using small quantities of salt (merely for testing purposes). Supposedly the thing about using Dead Sea salt is the absence of a Gilcrest precipitate. Now I'm not sure of this, but if this is the case, then overshooting pH shouldn't be too much of an issue. I've also been thinking about using sodium carbonate instead of sodium hydroxide. It's a weaker base, and in this case it should be better since the pH shouldn't rise above 11.

I washed/decanted the precipitate three times, so this should remove most of the soluble salts. Now for removing the insoluble hydroxides. If I add diluted hydrochloric acid, this should change the hydroxides to soluble chloride salts. The acid shouldn't have much of an effect on the m-state if the pH doesn't drop below 2 (I think it goes back into solution at this point). I also thought about using a "weaker" acid for this, something like diluted acetic acid. However, it doesn't matter at this point, but if you're worried about contaminates in the hcl, then I think store bought acetic acid would be the way to go.

I've been thinking about the annealing process. I know some say this isn't needed, but I would like to give it a try. I know the Essene recommended using a matrix of clay before annealing, otherwise the m-state would clump together and lose their properties. Now he mentioned this in regards to iridium, but I wonder if this is needed for all the m-state elements. Anyway, how do you anneal your m-state?

Also, I wouldn't advise taking m-state gold first.
You should prepare your body, physical and energy body, by first taking m-11, ocean water m-state.
After a month you can go to m-3, Great Salt lake which is iridium, rhodium and gold.
This will heal any chronic diseases and injured cells. This has a fair portion of gold in it.

Actually, this is probably what I'm planning on doing. I feel pretty confident regarding my current state of health and my spiritual/mental development. I believe it should be fine to start with m-state gold in my situation, but if you feel otherwise, please do let me know!

[solomon levi]

After washing, I like to part the gold from the MgOH by raising the pH to 12 with the lye solution
which "dissolves" the m-state and leaves the MgOH, so I just filter this, then the filtrate pH is lowered
to 8.5 with HCl or vinegar to retrieve a congealed m-state. To this add lye solution back up to 10.78.
Now wash several times to get a pH of 8 or 9.
That's my preferred method, but there are others.

The dried, powdered m-state can be annealed in an oven, or for higher temps, which may produce higher energy,
you can use a torch - put the m-state in a stainless steel vessel or a large spoon.
But you may want to anneal a small portion at a time just prior to ingestion.
I'm not sure how long the annealing effects last.
I haven't used the clay matrix.

This annealed high-spin m-state is what you want to be concerned/prepared about - what I said about manifesting thoughts.

[solomon levi]

here's another report on m-state Gold consumption and its effects:

http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/realthing.htm

Most people aren't prepared for this. If you've done quite a bit of work on self (not-self?), then you may be
familiar with this and prepared. For anyone that thinks of enlightenment as something glamorous, you'll be in for
a real heavy disappointment.
Non-duality (advaita) is a proper preparation IMO.
If you are experientially familiar with the fact of your own non-existence and are
prepared to have what is normally thought of as reality pulled out from under you, not just for the duration of
a drug trip, but for good.... then you may want to try some real good annealed m-state.