ORMUS, ORMEs, M-State & Monatomic Transition Metals

[BeautifulEvil]

I wanted to get some discussion started on some new research I've been doing. Lately, I've been researching monatomic transition metals and their properties. I think I've hit something here, and I believe there is really something to this science.

Check out this patent (it's fairly complex, but if you have enough chemistry theory you should be able to understand it): http://www.rexresearch.com/ormes/ormes.htm

During efforts to effect quantitative analytical separations of transition metals from naturally occurring materials, it was discovered that ORMEs exist naturally and are found in salts with alkali metals and/or alkaline earth metals, all of which are coupled with waters of hydration and normally found with silica and alumina. ORMEs are also often associated with sulfides and other mineral compositions.

ORMEs may also, it was discovered, be prepared from commercially available T-metals. For ease of description the invention will be primarily described by the preparation of a gold ORME ("G-ORME") from commercially available metallic yellow gold.

The atoms of each ORME do not have d electron orbital overlap as do their corresponding T-metal clusters. ORMEs do not, therefore, exhibit the same characteristic emissions of their corresponding T-metal when subjected to analysis by instruments which depend upon electronic transitions. ORMEs must, therefore, be identified in new ways, ways which have heretofore not been used to identify T-metals.

An aqua regia solution of metallic gold is prepared. This solution contains clusters of gold chlorides of random size and degrees of aggregation. HCl is added to the solution and it is repeatedly evaporated with a large excess of NaCl (20:1 moles Na to moles Au) to moist salts. The addition of NaCl allows the eventual formation of NaAuCl3, after all HNO3 is removed from the solution. The sodium, like gold, has only one unpaired s electron and, accordingly, tends to form clusters of at least two atoms. The sodium, however, does not d orbitally overlap the gold atom as it has no d electrons, resulting in a surface reaction between the sodium atoms and the gold atoms. This results in a weakening of the gold-gold cluster stability and causes the eventual formation of a sodium-gold linear bond with a weakened d orbital activity in the individual gold atoms. The sodium-gold compound, formed by repeated evaporation to salts, will provide a chloride of sodium-gold. In these salts the sodium and gold are believed to be charged positive, i.e., have lost electrons: and the chlorine is negative, i.e., has gained electrons. When the salts are dissolved in water and the pH slowly adjusted to neutral, full aquation of the sodium-gold diatom will slowly occur and chloride is removed from the complex. Chemical reduction of the sodium-gold solution results in the formation of a sodium auride. Continued aquation results in disassociation of the gold atom from the sodium and the eventual formation of a protonated auride of gold as a grey precipitate. Subsequent annealing produces the G-ORME. The G-ORME has an electron rearrangement whereby it acquires a d orbital hole or holes which share energy with an electron or electrons. This pairing occurs under the influence of a magnetic field external to the field of the electrons.

G-ORMEs are stable and possess strong interatomic repulsive magnetic forces, relative to their attractive forces. G-ORME stability is demonstrated by unique thermal and chemical properties. The white saltlike material that is formed from G-ORMEs after treatment with halogens, and the white oxide appearing material formed when G-ORMEs are treated with fuming HClO4 or fuming H2SO4 are dissimilar from the T-metal or its salts. The G-ORME will not react with cyanide, will not be dissolved by aqua regia, and will not wet or amalgamate with mercury. It also does not sinter at 800°C under reducing conditions, and remains an amorphous powder at 1200C. These characteristics are contrary to what is observed for metallic gold and/or gold cluster salts. G-ORMEs require a more negative potential than -2.45 v to be reduced, a potential that cannot be achieved with ordinarily known aqueous chemistry.

The strong interatomic repulsive forces are demonstrated in that the G-ORMEs remain as a powder at 1200C. This phenomenon results from canceling of the normal attractive forces arising from the net interaction between the shielded, paired electrons and the unshielded, unpaired s and d valence electrons. G-ORMEs have no unpaired valence electrons and, therefore, tend not to aggregate as would clusters of gold which have one or more unpaired valence electrons.

G-ORMEs can be reconverted to metallic gold from which they were formed. This reconversion is accomplished by an oxidation rearrangement which removes all paired valence electrons together with their vacancy pair electrons, with a subsequent refilling of the d and s orbitals with unpaired electrons until the proper configuration is reached for the T-metal.

This oxidation rearrangement is effected by subjecting the G-ORME to a large negative potential in the presence of an electron-donating element, such as carbon, thus forming a metallic element-carbon chemical bond. For that metal-carbon bond to occur the carbon must provide for the horizontal removal of the d orbital vacancy of the ORME. The carbon acts like a chemical fulcrum. When the element-carbon bond is reduced by way of further decreasing the potential, the carbon receives a reducing electron and subsequently vertically inserts that reducing electron below the s orbitals of the element, thus forming metallic gold.

The above general description for the preparation of G-ORME from commercially available metallic gold is applicable equally for the preparation of the remaining ORMEs, except for the specific potential energy required and the use of nascent nitrogen (N) rather than carbon to convert the other ORMEs to their constituent metallic form. The specific energies range between -1.8 V and -2.5 V depending on the particular element. Alternatively this rearrangement can be achieved chemically by reacting NO gas with the T-metal ORMEs other than gold. Nitric oxide is unique in that it possesses the necessary chemical potential as well as the single unpaired electron.

[BeautifulEvil]

Example 1: Preparation of G-ORME ~

G-ORME was prepared from metallic gold as follows:

(1) 50 mg gold (99.99% pure) were dispersed in 200 ml aqua regia to provide clusters of gold atoms.

(2) 60 ml concentrated hydrochloric acid were added to the dispersion and the mixture was brought to boil, and continued boiling until the volume was reduced to approximately 10-15 ml. 60 ml concentrated HCl were added, and the sample brought to boil and checked for evolution of NOCl fumes. The process was repeated until no further fumes evolved, thus indicating that the nitric acid had been removed and the gold had been converted completely to the gold chloride.

(3) The volume of the dispersion was reduced by careful heating until the salt was just dry. "Just dry" as used herein means that all of the liquid had been boiled off, but the solid residue had not been "baked" or scorched.

(4) The just dry salts were again dispersed in aqua regia and steps (2) and (3) were repeated. This treatment provides gold chloride clusters of greater than 11 atoms.

(5) 150 ml 6M hydrochloric acid were added to the just dry salts and boiled again to evaporate off the liquid to just dry salts. This step was repeated four times. This procedure leads to a greater degree of sub-division to provide smaller clusters of gold chloride. At the end of this procedure an orangish-red salt of gold chloride is obtained. The salt will analyze as substantially pure Au2Cl6.

(6) Sodium chloride is added in an amount whereby the sodium is present at a ratio 20 moles sodium per mole of gold. The solution is then diluted with deionized water to a volume of 400 ml. The presence of the aqueous sodium chloride provides the salt Na2Au2Cl8. The presence of water is essential to break apart the diatoms of gold.

(7) The aqueous sodium chloride solution is very gently boiled to a just dry salt, and thereafter the salts were taken up alternatively in 200 ml deionized water and 300 ml 6M hydrochloric acid until no further change in color is evidenced. The 6M hydrochloric acid is used in the last treatment.

(80 After the last treatment with 6M hydrochloric acid, and subsequent boildown, the just dry salt is diluted with 400 ml deionized water to provide a monoatomic gold salt solution of NaAuCl2.H2O. The pH is approximately 1.0.

(9) The pH is adjusted very slowly with dilute sodium hydroxide solution, while constantly stirring, until the pH of the solution remains constant at 7.0 for a period of more than twelve hours. This adjustment may take several days. Care must be taken not to exceed pH 7.0 during the neutralization.

(10) After the pH is stabilized at pH 7.0, the solution is gently boiled down to 10 ml and 10 ml concentrated nitric acid is added to provide a sodium-gold nitrate. As is apparent, the nitrate is an oxidizer and removes the chloride. The product obtained should be white crystals. If a black or brown precipitate forms, this is an indication that there is still Na2Au2Cl8 present. If present, it is then necessary to restart the process at step (1).

(11) If white crystals are obtained, the solution is boiled to obtain just dry crystals. It is important not to overheat, i.e., bake.

(12) 5 ml concentrated nitric acid are added to the crystals and again boiled to where the solution goes to just dry. Again it is essential not to overheat or bake. Steps (11) and (12) provide a complete conversion of the product to a sodium-gold nitrate. No chlorides are present.

(13) 10 ml deionized water are added and again boiled to just dry salts. This step is repeated once. This step eliminates any excess nitric acid which may be present.

(14) Thereafter, the just dry material is diluted to 80 ml with deionized water. The solution will have a pH of approximately 1. This step causes the nitrate to dissociate to obtain NaAu in water with a small amount of HNO3 remaining .

(15) The pH is adjusted very slowly with dilute sodium hydroxide to 7.0 + 0.2. This will eliminate all free acid, leaving only NaAu in water.

(16) The NaAu hydrolyzes with the water and dissociates to form HAu. The product will be a white precipitate in water. The Au atoms have water at the surface which creates a voluminous cotton-like product.

(17) The white precipitate is decanted off from any dark grey solids and filtered through a 0.45 micron cellulose nitrate filter paper. Any dark grey solids of sodium auride should be redissolved and again processed starting at step (1).

(18) The filtered white precipitate on the filter paper is vacuum dried at 120° C for two hours. The dry solid should be light grey in color which is HAu.H2O and is easily removed from the filter paper.

(19) The monoatomic gold is placed in a porcelain ignition boat and annealed at 300° C under an inert gas to remove hydrogen and to form a very chemically and thermally stable white gold monomer.

(20) After cooling, the ignited white gold can be cleaned of remaining traces of sodium by digesting with dilute nitric acid for approximately one hour.

(21) The insoluble white gold is filtered on 0.45 micron paper and vacuum dried at 120° C for two hours. The white powder product obtained from the filtration and drying is pure G-ORME.

The G-ORME made according to this invention will exhibit the special properties described in the "General Description" of this application, including catalytic activity, special magnetic properties, resistance to sintering at high temperatures, and resistance to aqua regia and cyanide attack.

[BeautifulEvil]

Example 2: Recovery of Metallic Gold from Naturally Occurring Material Containing G-ORMES ~

(1) 300 gr of dried material assayed by conventional techniques to show no gold present, ground to less than 200 mesh, is placed in a one-gallon vessel, fitted with electrodes, with 120 gr NaCl (Morton rock salt), 10 gr KBr, and 2 liters of tap water.

(2) The anode consists of a pair of 3/8" x 12" carbon welding rods wrapped together with No. 10 copper wire. The cathode consists of 1-5/8" ID x 14" glass tube with a medium porosity glass frit (ASTM 10-15 M) with a 1" x 15" x 1/16" stainless steel strip inside in a solution of 36 gr/l NaCl (approximately 500 ml). Both electrodes are placed into the sample vessel and supported by clamps extending about 5" into the sample solution.

(3) The sample is placed on a roller table at approximately 10 revolutions per minute. The electrodes are connected to a power supply consisting of a 120 volt variac in conjunction with a 2-3 amp 400-600 PIV rectifier. A 100 watt light bulb and the electrodes are hooked in series. The rectifier load is connected to the anode since the rectifier filters out all negative voltage and only passes positive voltage.

(4) The sample is kept under load for a period of 6-1/2 hours. The final pH is in the range of 3 - 6.5. The voltage across the electrode is 5 volts.

(5) After disconnecting the load, the sample was allowed to settle and the solution over the settled out material was removed by decantation using a peristallic pump.

(6) 800ml of the sample was placed in a 1000 ml beaker and 20 ml concentrated sulfuric acid was added to the solution.

(7) With stirring, the solution was boiled down slowly on a hotplate until the solution was just dry. "Just dry" is as defined in Example 1. The just dry salt contains sodium gold chloride.

(8) The just dry salt was taken up in 400 ml deionized water and again boiled down to the just dry condition. There should be no discoloration at this point, i.e., a clear solution is formed.

(9) The just dry salt was then taken up in 400 ml 6M HCl, and thereafter boiled down to the just dry condition. The dilution and boiling down step was repeated four times, alternating with a deionized water and a 6M HCl wash, with the sequence controlled so that the last washing was with 6M HCl. The purpose of steps (8) and (9) is to remove all traces of hypochlorite oxidant.

(10) The just dry salts are taken up in 400 ml anhydrous ethanol and stirred for approximately ten minutes. This step is to dissolve the gold chloride salt, to remove the sodium chloride.

(11) After stirring, the slurry was filtered through #42 paper on a Buchner funnel.

(12) 5ml of concentrated sulfuric acid was slowly added to the filtrate, mixed, and the filtrate was then allowed to sit for approximately one hour. The filtrate was filtered through #42 filter paper on a Buchner funnel, and then passed through a filter of 0.5 micron Teflon. The sulfuric acid precipitates out any calcium. Filtration removes the precipitant and a light yellow filtrate is recovered, with all traces of calcium sulphate removed.

(13) The light yellow solution was again boiled down to just dry, taking care to avoid any charring. At this point there should be no further evaporation of ethanol and the just dry residue should be free of color. The residue should have a sweet smell similar to burnt sugar. The occurrence of the sweet smell indicates the end point of the boil-down.

(14) The just dry residue is taken up in 600 ml deionized water to provide a water-soluble gold form which is the gold auride. If desired, the G-ORME can be recovered at this stage or converted into metallic gold. For gold recovery, the solution is put into a 1000 ml beaker and an electrolysis unit was set up as shown in FIGURE 2 of the drawing.

As shown in FIGURE 2 of the drawing, the electrolysis unit comprises a 220 volt, 120 amp power supply (20) which is connected to the anode (12) and cathode (14) of the electrolytic cell. The solution is stirred using a magnetic stirrer (16). The anode (12) is a gold electrode, 2 cm2 in size, upon which gold in solution will plate out. The cathode (14) comprises a 6.8 cm2 platinum electrode contained in a Nafion 117 chamber (18). Nafion 117 is a perfluorocarbon sulfonic acid membrane, marketed by the duPont Company, and is a proton-conducting membrane. Inside the Nafion chamber is 200 ml of electrolyte solution containing 5 ml sulfuric acid per 600 ml of electrolyte solution. It is important to keep the Nafion chamber wet at all times. The potential was measured across the electrodes and then an additional -2.2 volts potential was applied and maintained for a period of two hours.

(15) After the two hours, the potential was raised to 3.0 volts and maintained for approximately 18 hours. Bubbles formed on both the gold and platinum electrodes. A black material formed on the gold electrode after three to four hours.

(16) The gold electrode was removed from solution while voltage was still being applied. The electrode was dried in a vacuum oven overnight at 115° C. The electrode was weighed before and after the plating to determine the amount of gold collected.

The metallic gold is, therefore, produced from a naturally occurring ore which, when subjected to conventional assaying, does not test positive for gold.

[deviadah]

I am not that skilled in this kind of technical stuff... although it doesn't mean I don't find it interesting. Tell me, can these experiments be re-created by yourself (in full or parts of them) or do they require instruments that are out of your range?

[BeautifulEvil]

I can do these, and I'll probably start gathering materials and designing an experiment/hypothesis to test whether or not these materials do what the patent claims.

If they do indeed display strange qualities then this is a great discovery!

Take a look at these pages:

1. http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/ormusplants.htm
2. http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/oranges.htm
3. http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/quick.htm
4. http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/reports.htm

[BeautifulEvil]

For those of you that listen to Coast to Coast AM:

There will be a show on tonight about white powder gold. Here's the excerpt:

"Historian Laurence Gardner will discuss such topics as secret societies, the bloodline of the Holy Grail, & White Powder Gold. "

Take a look at it on this page: http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2008/02/18.html

Also you may listen to it at 12AM CST on this station: www.cjob.com (just click listen now).

[BeautifulEvil]

I wanted to list another interesting page about this discovery. Go here: http://spiritofmaat.com/mar08/white_powder_gold.html

The red brown dioxide analyzed to be iron, the reduced hydrogen material was aluminum and calcium, and the white material, annealed under argon was calcium and silicon.

The point being that there was no consistency in the analysis of the three materials even though they were all three the same element, that material is 99.9% pure rhodium.

When you dissolve metallic gold into aqua regia, you convert to chloride to get rid of all the nitric. All you really have is a cluster of metallic gold. I don't care how long you boil this, it never will dissolve to the monoatom. The diatonic bonds of gold are so profoundly strong, and if you really think about it, gold has an electronic structure of 5d106s1 and that in itself tells you it will never go to the monoatom.

All of the other s1 elements are lithium, sodium, potassium, rubidium, cesium, these are explosively reactive substances that we call the alkaline metals. If you throw them in water, they burn. Gold has the same structure as these alkaline metals. Gold gets ahold of itself and it will not let go. You can get it down to the diatom, but it will never go farther than that, so the best that you can ever hope for, is AU2CL6. You never lose the diatonic bond, and that's why when you refine gold, you always get 99.9% recovery, because its real easy to recover, it never loses its metallic character.

But if you know how to take those metallic bonds apart and get monoatomic gold, which is what mother nature did by literally dissolving it to a single atom when it comes up out of the earth, about 98% of the gold comes up as monoatomic gold, about 2% comes up as metal. A diamond and carbon are the same element, a diamond is a high energy crystalline form of carbon.

So I begrudgingly read the book and have now read 500 to 600 books on alchemy and its history. All of it goes back to a man the Hebrews called Enoch, the Egyptians called Thoth, in Greece, they call him Hermes Trismegistus — they are all the same man. It is claimed he ascended by partaking of the white drops, the man who never died, he ascended because he was so perfect.

We have found, and this in the standard Bristol/Myers Squibb literature, that over the last four or five years, there is tremendous research going on with precious elements and cancer treatment. The precious elements have been found to inter-react with the cell by a vibrational frequency or by a light transfer to correct the DNA. Any incorrect part of the DNA is corrected by the precious element.

It perfects the cells of our body. The element going into our body is not a metal, the element is not a heavy metal, the element is AN ELEMENT, and so there is no heavy metal POISONING. You can eat any amount of this white flour you want to and it won't hurt you, it goes through your digestive system.

In fact, we took some brain tissue from a pig and a cow and we analyzed it, first we destroyed the organic matter and did a metals analysis. Over 5% of the brain tissue by dry matter weight is RHODIUM and IRIDIUM and no one knows it, because it can't be directly measured. The elements are flowing the light of life in your body, the elements are in fact, what the light is.

I can show you four papers by the US Naval Research Facility where they have PROVEN that the cells communicate with each other by a process identical to superconductivity, but they can't figure out WHAT is superconducting. It is these 'stealth' atoms at work. The atoms that are in your body, the atoms that flow perpetually the light of life, but no one knows they are there, because they don't identify by (normal) instrumental analysis.

Very interesting!

[deviadah]

The Enoch stuff keeps popping up here and there... sure is very interesting especially with the DNA connections...

All this stuff about DNA talking is not such humbug after all (at least I don't think so). Of course it isn't talking in plain English, but doing a sort of esoteric Lost Speech communication.

That is what ayahuasca is for!

[harveydent]

If ingesting this gave him the ability to live eternal, where is the old duffer?

Then we can all ask him directly as to how he managed it and get him to spill the beans!

[BeautifulEvil]

Then we can all ask him directly as to how he managed it and get him to spill the beans!

From what I've deduced from the various texts I've read he's in the next dimension. Ingestion of ORMEs type materials supercharges the astral or "rainbow" body, and after prolonged use one begins to emit a certain "glow" or "light."

This eventually turns into a full light body, and one can then shed his physical body while maintaining consciousness and "life." After this point it's said that the individual becomes immortal and can travel anywhere in space and even to various other dimensions.

Although I'm not sure I believe this yet -- it's just what I've found in my research.

[BeautifulEvil]

Wow, so I just had one of those moments of pure insight relating to the ancient production of the white powder of gold. It's said that elemental gold will only become the white powder of gold once it has been heated to near 10,000C, but the ancients did not have proper mechanisms for PRODUCING this heat. However, this does not mean they did not have other means of generating/harnessing heat from some other source...

Unfortuantely, this is all I'm willing to disclose at this point in time.... However, I believe I know the secret.

[harveydent]

As above so below. Did they heat it in the invisible fire, acid or did they heat it in another kind of fire, nitrogen?

Nitrates and Sulphides explain a great deal about how meny an alchemist has met a sticky end...

Especially when you describe it as a kind of charged proton suspended in solution!

**Zip, Crackle** "eureka I've done it!" **sizzle, sizzle, BOOM!**

Nothing left of the poor chap but his smoldering boot's, did he ascend to heaven or become a new type of liquid wallpaper paste?

How to make instant confetti, take one tiny pinch of finely powdered KCl add to it one tiny pinch of finely powdered S (sprinkled on the top, DO NOT mix them together!!!), see those crystals turning purple, re-treat to the very far side of the lab (very swiftly), pick up a weighty old tome or book ( a copy of harry potter and the philosophers stone will do nicelly!), throw it at it and duck for cover, it will rain instant confetti... Muhahaa! Needless to say anything more than half a G (Gram) will level the workbench at best or at worst level the laboratory with you standing in it...

On another note they prescribe nitroglycerine for a dodgy ticker, or bad heart. So now you know what's in that solution of nitro-gel your old grand-dad slips under his tongue from time to time!

Ah, and said afore mentioned explosive can be made safe, by applying and distilling it in linseed oil, so it beggers the question of the red stone, why was it solluted (distilled) in an oil?

Electro-Hydromethyl-Nitrate or as the scientist said in the movie the core once said "I call it, UNOBTAINIUM!"

Their is a lot more to monatomic gold and ORMES than at first greets the eye!

It has to be hidden in the periodic table somewhere its the alchemists job to find it, science decrys alchemy, but science should never forget it's roots stem from alchemy....

Au + Ag'32 - Mg'12 - N'7 - H'5 - O'8 = ?

Atomic state = 0.0 say hello to unobtainium and there was I thinking carbon has a footprint of 0, but isnt carbon according to the scientific community the building block of life?

Magnesium is known to react with the nitrogen to form manesium nitrate and magnesium oxide, here is our oxidizer for our solution of the elixir. Silver and Gold also both react to nitrogen. Stired but not shaken.

Dont forget to have linseed oil to hand, you dont want the great work to evaporate before your very eyes!

Did you know that electrum is a non-castable alloy of gold and silver (yellow to white powder), with gold being more dominant (by how much depends on different standards used throughout history), so 50 / 50 would give you .32 its also saddly lacking from the periodic table.

Magnesium compounds are typically white crystals. Most are soluble in water, providing the sour-tasting magnesium ion Mg2+. Small amounts of dissolved magnesium ion contributes to the tartness and taste of natural waters. The magnesium ion is necessary for all life, so magnesium salts are an additive for foods, fertilizers (Mg is a component of chlorophyll). Also utilized in the manufacture of iron and steel.

Needless to say it also burns with the brightness and intensity of the sun... I figured out the secret long ago...

[harveydent]

Since the liquid to gas expansion ratio of this substance is 1:694, tremendous amounts of force can be generated when liquid nitrogen boils off for whatever reasons. In a well-known accident in 2006 at Texas A&M University, the pressure-relief devices of a tank of liquid nitrogen were sealed with brass plugs. As a result, the tank failed catastrophically, and exploded. The force of the explosion was sufficient to propel the tank through the ceiling immediately above it.

[harveydent]

As the inventor (rediscoverer) of this ancient substance I hear by invoke my rights to be the first human guinea pig test subject. Immortality shall be mine, I will be the first to sample the divine!

And then I'll sell the sucker to everyone else at a cost of $59.99

[spiralwave]

Has anyone here tried some ormus or the white powder gold?

I would like your opinions about the experience. I have tried it just recently....

[BeautifulEvil]

Hi spiralwave, where did you get this material from? Most of the ORME style white gold you buy off the internet is actually gold hydroxide, or some other gold salt. These are quite toxic, and most often will result in a form of heavy metal poisoning from gold. The theory is ORME style white gold is not processed by the body in the same manner as gold salts, and thus will not result in heavy metal poisoning.

I would be weary of this substance if you did not make it yourself.

Also, if you try to prepare the high spin state ORME style monatomic elements from the patent instructions, you will be unsuccessful in the end. You will need to impregnate the white gold/iridium/etc in some form of temperature resistant matrix. This maintains the monatomic state, which would normally be lost if processed in the normal manner.

[spiralwave]

Hi spiralwave, where did you get this material from? Most of the ORME style white gold you buy off the internet is actually gold hydroxide, or some other gold salt. These are quite toxic, and most often will result in a form of heavy metal poisoning from gold. The theory is ORME style white gold is not processed by the body in the same manner as gold salts, and thus will not result in heavy metal poisoning.

I would be weary of this substance if you did not make it yourself.

Also, if you try to prepare the high spin state ORME style monatomic elements from the patent instructions, you will be unsuccessful in the end. You will need to impregnate the white gold/iridium/etc in some form of temperature resistant matrix. This maintains the monatomic state, which would normally be lost if processed in the normal manner.

I got 3 different sources to try it. One was from whitepowdergold.com another from zptech.com and another from a alchemist acquaintance I met.

I wanted to see if anyone here had tried ormus but apparently not. I would like to learn more alchemy and try making some or something myself. I honestly am not really confident this is real alchemic ormus but it is something and it does have some effects.

sorry i just saw this reply just now.

[BeautifulEvil]

What are the effects? Does it make you sweat? Does it feel slightly "psychoactive?"

I'd like to compare the results of say, an ormus preparation, with something like the aurum potabile.

[deviadah]

A friend of mine wanted wanted me to ask BeautifulEvil: if he has taken some of the newly available strong mono-atomic gold?

[BeautifulEvil]

Hi deviadah, tell your friend this:

I have not taken any commercial available m-state preparations. When dealing with commercial products, it's difficult to determine whether or not what you're ingesting is safe, or dangerous. When we're dealing with metallic salts (gold salts, silver salts, etc) it becomes very dangerous because these are often highly toxic. Of course, when we're dealing with pure colloidal metals, or m-state metals, this is a different situation all together.

I would be very weary of commercial products or preparations. Unless you know what you're getting is the real deal.

So in short, no I have not tried any of the newly available strong m-state gold, and truthfully, any commercially available m-state product.

[deviadah]

Thanks!

I would be very weary of commercial products or preparations...

So would I...

[solomon levi]

Even making this oneself is no guarantee. I've known lots of people who made crap m-state.
If making from the salt waters, you mustn't use polluted water.
When precipitating you must stir vigorously to avoid areas of high pH concentration.
You must also add your lye solution slowly and patiently, for the same reason.
You must wash your precipitate well so it has no taste of salt.
To get a really good product you must eliminate the hydroxides and anneal the m-state.

Also, I wouldn't advise taking m-state gold first.
You should prepare your body, physical and energy body, by first taking m-11, ocean water m-state.
After a month you can go to m-3, Great Salt lake which is iridium, rhodium and gold.
This will heal any chronic diseases and injured cells. This has a fair portion of gold in it.

David Hudson said after giving m-state iridium and rhodium to someone @ 250 mgs each,
after four or five days you will here the ringing sound of your aura/meisner field. He gave this dose for 40 days.
Then the dose was increased to 2500 mgs, and after a few days the person started having spontaneous
kundalini several times a day.

The gold m-state, say both David Hudson and the Essene, is not medicinal, but for psychic and elevation of
consciousness. But it doesn't GIVE you a spiritual consciousness; it elevates and fixates whatever you are,
so you don't want to take this without some preperation and training your mind.
Imagine that your thoughts will start to manifest... are you ready for that? Will your thoughts injure yourself
or others?
Read "The Red Lion" by Maria Szepes.

http://www.amazon.com/Red-Lion-Elixir-Eternal-Life/dp/0965262170/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1218668695&sr=1-1

[BeautifulEvil]

Even making this oneself is no guarantee. I've known lots of people who made crap m-state.
If making from the salt waters, you mustn't use polluted water.
When precipitating you must stir vigorously to avoid areas of high pH concentration.
You must also add your lye solution slowly and patiently, for the same reason.
You must wash your precipitate well so it has no taste of salt.
To get a really good product you must eliminate the hydroxides and anneal the m-state.

Ah, just the person to help me!

I purchased some Dead Sea salt a week or two ago, and finally got it in yesterday. I've had a chance to play with the procedure some, only using small quantities of salt (merely for testing purposes). Supposedly the thing about using Dead Sea salt is the absence of a Gilcrest precipitate. Now I'm not sure of this, but if this is the case, then overshooting pH shouldn't be too much of an issue. I've also been thinking about using sodium carbonate instead of sodium hydroxide. It's a weaker base, and in this case it should be better since the pH shouldn't rise above 11.

I washed/decanted the precipitate three times, so this should remove most of the soluble salts. Now for removing the insoluble hydroxides. If I add diluted hydrochloric acid, this should change the hydroxides to soluble chloride salts. The acid shouldn't have much of an effect on the m-state if the pH doesn't drop below 2 (I think it goes back into solution at this point). I also thought about using a "weaker" acid for this, something like diluted acetic acid. However, it doesn't matter at this point, but if you're worried about contaminates in the hcl, then I think store bought acetic acid would be the way to go.

I've been thinking about the annealing process. I know some say this isn't needed, but I would like to give it a try. I know the Essene recommended using a matrix of clay before annealing, otherwise the m-state would clump together and lose their properties. Now he mentioned this in regards to iridium, but I wonder if this is needed for all the m-state elements. Anyway, how do you anneal your m-state?

Also, I wouldn't advise taking m-state gold first.
You should prepare your body, physical and energy body, by first taking m-11, ocean water m-state.
After a month you can go to m-3, Great Salt lake which is iridium, rhodium and gold.
This will heal any chronic diseases and injured cells. This has a fair portion of gold in it.

Actually, this is probably what I'm planning on doing. I feel pretty confident regarding my current state of health and my spiritual/mental development. I believe it should be fine to start with m-state gold in my situation, but if you feel otherwise, please do let me know!

[solomon levi]

After washing, I like to part the gold from the MgOH by raising the pH to 12 with the lye solution
which "dissolves" the m-state and leaves the MgOH, so I just filter this, then the filtrate pH is lowered
to 8.5 with HCl or vinegar to retrieve a congealed m-state. To this add lye solution back up to 10.78.
Now wash several times to get a pH of 8 or 9.
That's my preferred method, but there are others.

The dried, powdered m-state can be annealed in an oven, or for higher temps, which may produce higher energy,
you can use a torch - put the m-state in a stainless steel vessel or a large spoon.
But you may want to anneal a small portion at a time just prior to ingestion.
I'm not sure how long the annealing effects last.
I haven't used the clay matrix.

This annealed high-spin m-state is what you want to be concerned/prepared about - what I said about manifesting thoughts.

[solomon levi]

here's another report on m-state Gold consumption and its effects:

http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/realthing.htm

Most people aren't prepared for this. If you've done quite a bit of work on self (not-self?), then you may be
familiar with this and prepared. For anyone that thinks of enlightenment as something glamorous, you'll be in for
a real heavy disappointment.
Non-duality (advaita) is a proper preparation IMO.
If you are experientially familiar with the fact of your own non-existence and are
prepared to have what is normally thought of as reality pulled out from under you, not just for the duration of
a drug trip, but for good.... then you may want to try some real good annealed m-state.

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