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Re: inner earth

Post  phliosehea on Fri Oct 17, 2008 7:10 pm

Why not warn people, especially if anything I believe holds true and we have as little as four years left. Tell you what, let's just stop and agree to disagree...I will keep my beliefs in check...but if anything does happen soon, I will not leave things unsaid. Parley?
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Post  solomon levi on Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:03 pm

I'm not even sure we understand eachother to agree that we disagree. Confused
But no, I wouldn't agree to that anyway. Either you are practicing learned-ism when you judge Petrinus and other
course leaders as to not having found the stone, or you don't.
I think it's absolutely clear that you do.
It's impossible to say what you've said about them and be unlearned.

From what I can see, what you call being learned is anything that disagrees with your learnedness.
I don't see that you're interested in unlearnedness at all.
I'm not even sure you know what it is.
If you did, you wouldn't post "warnings".
And if one is unlearned, they certainly can't see another's learnedness.
If you're unlearned, even others' learnedness appears unlearned to you.

I know these things about unlearnedness, and they are objectively true.
So there's no agreeing to disagree about them. That would be subjective and not unlearnedness.

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Re: inner earth

Post  solomon levi on Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:09 pm

phliosehea wrote:Why not warn people, especially if anything I believe holds true and we have as little as four years left. Tell you what, let's just stop and agree to disagree...I will keep my beliefs in check...but if anything does happen soon, I will not leave things unsaid. Parley?

The reason not to warn people is because they are gods.
When you warn them, you act like they are not - you deny their divinity, and thus you're own.
Is that unclear to you?
Are you lord of anyone but yourself?
Is not each person their own lord and lawgiver?
Why are you assuming the job for others?
Don't you know they're perfect without you're help?
Help that they didn't ask you for?
Thus you are a tyrant pretending to be "helpful".

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Post  BeautifulEvil on Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:31 pm

It's a philosophical conundrum - this thing of truth and knowledge. I'd rather not take the path of saying I'm learned, or unlearned, but I will take the path and say I am both learned, and unlearned. In the end, what does it really matter? Will being right save you? Nay? Perhaps will being wrong damn you? Nay?

We all must endure the same fate until our ties to the physical are unbound and broken. Where has the line been crossed, but more importantly - was there ever a line to begin with?

Guys, we should all remember these are opinions. Not much we state here is absolute truth, and some of these things are so subjective. Even though I sound like I know what I'm saying, I do question the validity of the truth I speak, and I understand that it's quiet possible nothing I say is true.

I think this is a really good thread, but it's being bogged down by much weight. Shall we not continue discussion of the original topic at hand? I believe this is the most important path to tread.

I hope I've been neutral enough.

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Re: inner earth

Post  solomon levi on Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:43 pm

That was very neutral!

Phliosephea wanted to be reasonable. I'm being very reasonable.
But now s/he doesn't want to be reasonable, s/he wants to agree to disagree because my reason is
aimed at him/her.

A reasonable person would not judge Petrinus or any practicing alchemist for denying to have found the stone.
I certainly wouldn't tell the whole world in an interview if I'd found the stone.
How reasonable would that be?

I am not pro- or anti- Petrinus. I'm just pointing out something very UNreasonable by someone
who has been judging when others are reasonable and unlearned.

I think Phliosephea would agree that we should use our reason towards him/her as well as towards courses
and alchemists and literature if unbiased and unlearned.


Allright, I've made my point. I'll return to topic unless Phlio wants to discuss this further.
I don't feel it's low or anything.

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Re: inner earth

Post  deviadah on Sat Oct 18, 2008 8:45 pm

No bitchin' please... keep that in PM.

B.E. has already tried to calm this down...
solomon levi wrote:But now s/he doesn't want to be reasonable, s/he wants to agree to disagree because my reason is aimed at him/her.
I don't care who is right and who is wrong so no finger is being pointed at anyone... just relax...

Back on track or topic locked!
Keep discussions calm, focused and respect other peoples views. - source
Also I am not sure this topic belongs in General Discussions... any suggestions?

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Re: inner earth

Post  ThPhARTh on Sun Oct 19, 2008 5:35 am

i see it as Spiritual, yet sights can differ.

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Re: inner earth

Post  solomon levi on Sun Oct 19, 2008 1:48 pm

I've already said I'm ready to return to topic, and now you go and
throw "bitching" out there. Confused
I think that's judgemental and a personal interpretation/projection rather than
a description of what is.

"Who shall watch the watchers?"


In my view, Phlio invited us to be reasonable, so I am making no transgressions with him/her.
If I have said something unreasonable s/he can let me know.
If others want to get into it and throw their projections on it, I don't know what to do
about that.

I've been calm - I'm just stating observations. How can anyone know if I am emotional or not?
Is this not projection?

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Re: inner earth

Post  AF Admin on Sun Oct 19, 2008 3:57 pm

Thread locked.

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