Hello Everyone.

[Tony D.]

I have studied metaphysics for about 30 years beginning with Seth (I am 57 now). I have no educational or experience in chemistry.

When I first heard of David Hudson's discovery of ormes about 5 years ago, I ordered and consumed 4 vials of wpg. Not noticing any effects, I lost interest in ormes.

I was recently diagnosed with ataxia and because there is no known cure in "modern" medicine, I decided to try ormes again for a cure using "ancient" medicine. Since June I have been taking many products from Don Nance. I have noticed subtle effects and improvements, and realize that my ataxia condition which took decades to develop will take longer then a few months to cure.

My goal is to learn how to make ormes/manna myself and reduce my dependence on others, especially if Big Brother steps in. I have begun to make manna with the Wet Method and will work to increase it's purity and potency. I am determined to increase my alchemical knowledge and experience, as well as health improvement and spiritual growth.

My best to All,
Tony

[WCH]

Hi and welcome. I'm new too.

Hopefully you'll have success in your search... have you spoken to your doctor about using ormes to treat ataxia?

[Tony D.]

I hope to simply surprise my doctors by curing the "incurable". In fact I decided on taking/making manna after I last saw them. However, my GP told me that in his experience supplements do more harm than good. My neurologist simply advised physical therapy to slow deterioration. I haven't discussed supplements.

Talking to either about "manna/alchemy" is too soon, imo. I need to become more knowledgeable and experienced first. The only thing that will make them "believers" is to see me cured, which is my goal.

Since I've been taking (3 1/2 months) M3 (a lot), M1, and Copper, my wife says she can see an improvement. What I also need to take is M11 and I have some ordered and on the way while I work on making my own.

I have already made some myself but need some hcl to lower the pH and cut the mgOH content and will order some in the next day or two. I have a large amount of precipitate settling in the meantime. I want to let the precipitation and washes settle for about a week each time to reduce the water content and reduce the m-state loss when decanting.

I have Bokek (Dead Sea) Salt which should be comparable to M1.
I have Celtic (Atlantic) Salt which should be comparable to M11.
Will order some Sonoma (Pacific) Salt which should be comparable to M3.
I use mineral water for my salt solution which dramatically improves yield, and use distilled water for the washes.

Your sociology research may be at a very interesting point in time. There is speculation that mankind is about to reach a new and higher level of consciousness as we approach and pass 2011, 2012, at least according to the Mayans and other ancient cultures. There is recent research that has shown how dna can be manipulated/repaired using sound, thought, and other techniques. David Hudson claims that m-state can repair damaged dna. There is other research that has shown "lifestyle changes" can switch on and off different dna.

The recent discovery (as predicted by Cayce?) of m-state (ormes, manna, etc.) may very well be the secret to new dna activation, charging of the "Light Body", and raising our vibrational and spiritual level to rapidly take mankind from "Homo Sapiens" to the new, higher "Homo Spiritus."

Perhaps this would also fulfill The Rapture prophecy.

Best,
Tony

[solomon levi]

Hey Tony! Welcome.

Ordering HCl? You know they sell muriatic acid at the hardware store (Lowes, Home Depot, etc), don't you?
Why is Sonoma salt m-3? I haven't heard of this? The Great Salt Lake in Utah is supposed to resemble m-3.
If Sonoma salt is from the Pacific Ocean, it'll be m-11, no?

[Tony D.]

Thanks for the info on the hcl. I saw online where Lowes had the muriatic acid you speak of but was unsure of the quality for ingestion. Could you tell me what the pH is of this Kem-Tek m.a. solution? Not only is it a heck of a lot cheaper, but I imagine it has a higher pH than about -1 which makes it much safer to handle.

I was skeptical about this HCL/MA after reading this post:

"Re: Best HCl to use?

A Brix researcher I talked to said that there are contaminants in
that cheaper HCl from hardware stores that could harm plants. i
don't know.

mike"

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ORMUS/message/15946

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As for the elements in the Pacific Ocean (Sonoma Salts), I based it on Barry Carters post (around middle of page):

"I am not sure if this ingot was made from ocean water precipitate or
from rock source precipitate but I am sure that the Essene told me
repeatedly that he has made gold, rhodium and iridium from ocean
water precipitate. He also told me repeatedly that the white
precipitate from Pacific Ocean water is 40 to 50 percent rhodium,
iridium and gold in the m-state based on his own assays. The Essene
is a professional metallurgical consultant who has made his living
assaying precious metals. He still does this work for various clients
in the mining industry, on occasion."

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/ORMUS/message/21704

Best,
Tony

[BeautifulEvil]

First off, let me welcome you to our board!

Ordering HCl? You know they sell muriatic acid at the hardware store (Lowes, Home Depot, etc), don't you?
Why is Sonoma salt m-3? I haven't heard of this? The Great Salt Lake in Utah is supposed to resemble m-3.
If Sonoma salt is from the Pacific Ocean, it'll be m-11, no?

About the HCl, you can distill some of the dead sea/ocean salt to obtain a philosophical hydrochloric acid. Just lightly dry distill the salt, bubble the hydrogen chloride fumes through some distilled water, and voila you have philosophical HCl! I think John French's book "The Art of Distillation" mentions this method.

You can only reach a certain percentage with this, but even then, it's just as strong as muriatic acid from the store (MUCH more pure I suppose). The percentage, if my memory doesn't fail, should be 38%. This is "concentrated" hcl, and honestly, I can't think of many other uses for higher grade HCl.

[Tony D.]

Thanks for the suggestion.

Sounds pretty simple, although I don't currently have the necessary lab equipment.

Have you or anyone on the board try this yet?

Best,
Tony

[BeautifulEvil]

Have you or anyone on the board try this yet?

Nope, but I know for a fact it WILL work. One can obtain many many useful reagents via dry distillation - it's very important I believe.

A simple retort would be perfect for this procedure. One more thing, be sure to evacuate the hydrogen chloride that didn't dissolve into a fume hood or outside - it's very dangerous and tough on the lungs. I recommend a very slow distillation of the salt, by this method you will obtain a well graduated philosophical hydrochloric acid.

[deviadah]

Welcome to Alchemy Forums!

[theFool]

The store bought HCl has many contaminants in it. If you throw some NaOH in it, you see a lot of them precipitate. So food grade HCl, from a chemist, should be better.

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