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Post  deviadah on Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:30 pm

What is Ningishzidda really? Not easy to answer, although it is deeply interesting - especially when looked at through the glasses of an Alchemist!

Ningishzidda, or Ng was the wife and mother of Dumuzi, and an ancestor of Gilgamesh. The whole family tree is very complicated with several names for each individual, which just adds to the confusion. To simplify Ng can be viewed as the serpent-god of Mesopotamia and also as the mother goddess/goddess of the earth/underworld. Ng could be viewed as an earlier version of Isis.

Ng is represented as two serpents entwined around a rod... ah this rings a bell, and you are correct that the image of Ng does mirror that of The Caduceus of Hermes.

David William Hauck writes in his book The Emerald Tablet – Alchemy for Personal Transformation:
…traced as far back as 2600 B.C.E. The caduceus is depicted on the Libation Cup of Gudea [see below], a Sumerian artifact that was made around 2000 B.C.E., and Thoth is shown holding an early Egyptian caduceus in a mural at the Temple of Seti I that dates from 1300 B.C.E. The tall staff, the magic wand of Hermes, is topped by a winged solar disk with two serpents wrapped around a staff three times – a subtler reminder that the owner of the staff is the thrice greatest one. According to the immortal French alchemist Nicholas Flamel, the two serpents of the caduceus are the snakes or dragons which the ancient Egyptians painted in the form of a circle, each biting the other’s tail, in order to teach that they spring of and from One Thing.
The famous Staff of Asclepius with a single serpent wrapped around it is often confused with the The Caduceus of Hermes.

Add to the mix the fact that the image of two entwined serpents resemble the double-helix. Ng created the human race, after the world was flooded as told in the Epic of Gilgamesh (and later mirrored in Genesis). And DNA created us.

So, apart from being an earlier form of the twined serpents on the Caduceus, Ng can also be viewed - in alchemical terms - as the original Elixir of Life, or the Dew of the Ouroboros & Prima Materia (DNA)! Well, that is the theory anyway...

In alchemy dew is a symbolic representation of:
divine incarnation or manifestation from Above. Alchemists believed natural dew contained the divine Salt (thoughts of the One Mind) that could transform the Sulfur and Mercury of the First Matter. In many ways, dew represented the Elixir or contents of the cup of God, the Holy Grail. - from the Alchemy Electronic Dictionary

Relief impression of the royal libation cup of King Gudea of Lagash (Sumer), ca 2000 B.C.E.

Article on Ng
Ningishzidda, The First Satan? (great read)
Ningishzidda Rising (another great read)
Ningishzidda FAQ (some more points that is in this post)

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Re: Ningishzidda

Post  LadyHydralisk on Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:33 am

I've really been enjoying your input on Abrahadabra Deviadah. In case you didn't know I am really a big fan of this principle!

Funy to hear you refer to h im as a girl. I actually did some research on this and interviewed some college students on another board, they tell me that we know Ningishzidda is specifically male because he is listed as the SON of Enki, Ninazu otherwise it gets confusing because "Nin" means lady...

I had a personal joke about this that gishzidda probably means "killer"...

anyways it's a very deep mystery and I think the most intriguing part is the male-female ambiguity. We see this with several other deities around the world - Mahakala from tibet, for instance, is above time and a manifestation of the Absolute, his femininity is concealed and part of him, so he does not have a duality about him and is thus above time - even the gods feel change and death when he approaches. Also Inari from Japan is shown alternatively as an old man or a young woman, and is flanked by two white stone foxes in shrines to him/her.

So while it is a rare occurence it is not without it's own subtle consistency...

Mithraism for instance, engaged in the strange practice of marrying males to the sun as brides...so it gets a little weird in the higher stages of alchemy in all religions I think...

love it. Tongue

Did you see the people on Occult Forums accusing me of being a faggot? Gosh it's funny...I wonder if my alchemy is causing that effect....


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Re: Ningishzidda

Post  deviadah on Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:36 am

LadyHydralisk wrote:In case you didn't know I am really a big fan of this principle!
Duh... LOL

He is also a wife... Smile

I think it is natural, since I am a male I see Ng as female, and you do the opposite.

As if Ng completes the polarity/duality of ourselves (if you get what I mean)!

That is how I would answer this line of thought anyway!

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Re: Ningishzidda

Post  LadyHydralisk on Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:26 pm

ack...I was using that to test the gallery feature...LOL...it's one of a few preliminary test images I did to get a base to do the painting...

Here is the WIP:



I don't know what your image size limits are here, if so pleae advise, I have a widescreen monitor so I almost never notice if images are too large...

Very good points Deviadah, you've given me much to think about.,... Suspect
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Re: Ningishzidda

Post  deviadah on Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:39 am

LadyHydralisk wrote:I don't know what your image size limits are here...
I sent you a PM.

As for Ng there is indeed a lot to think about. I like to link Ng to Kundalini.

The serpent that attacked Buddha, for instance, is not a malevolent creature. Instead it's the cosmic energy that lies coiled up inside that Buddha gains control of. Kundalini, derived from a Sanskrit word meaning either coiled up, coiling like a snake or serpent power mirror this event.

The Caduceus of Hermes is thought to be an ancient symbolic representation of Kundalini physiology.
You have the energy of the sun in you, but keep knotting it up at the base of your spine. - Rumi

Ng, far left, dabbling with DNA.

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Re: Ningishzidda

Post  LadyHydralisk on Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:45 pm

Are you familiar with the concept of the descending serpent, and the patala chakra? It is not the same serpent as kundalini shakti. m1thr0s pointed this out to me.

"Additionally, seven chakras, barely visible, exist below the spine. They are seats of instinctive consciousness, the origin of jealousy, hatred, envy, guilt, sorrow, etc. They constitute the lower or hellish world, called Naraka or patala. Thus, there are 14 major chakras in all."

"7) patala chakra (located in the soles of the feet): murder and malice."


http://www.experiencefestival.com/patala_chakra

Macrocosmically, the chakras are entire realms of existence. Patala is the realm of Lord Ananta, the serpent that holds up the preserver, Vishnu, out of the ocean of sorrow, and upholds the entire universe on just one of his gleaming scales....
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Re: Ningishzidda

Post  deviadah on Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:20 pm

Thanks!

That is very interesting and I didn't know that.

I quoted what you wrote in this thread: Seven

All these subjects interlink, but I am trying to keep them as seperate as possible to avoid confusion (both for myself and those that come here)!

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Re: Ningishzidda

Post  LadyHydralisk on Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:01 pm

I think it's a grand idea...

Do you have the exact inscription source where Ng is named as a wife...I can't seem to find any...
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Re: Ningishzidda

Post  Anibis on Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:05 pm

I really like that painting, Naomi, it's very evocative.
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Re: Ningishzidda

Post  deviadah on Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:07 pm

LadyHydralisk wrote:Do you have the exact inscription source where Ng is named as a wife...I can't seem to find any...
Here there is much similarity between the male:
Dungi-Dumuzi-Ninurta-Aannipadda
and the female:
Ninsum-Ningizzida-Gula-Ninmah-Ninkursag-Damkina-Ninka-Mesannipadda. - Article on Ng
Not a direct inscription, but Ng figures with many names...

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Re: Ningishzidda

Post  LadyHydralisk on Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:33 pm

I'm going to check back with my scholarly Mesopotamian forum for a while and get to the bottom of this...I've learned not to trust internet sites with Mesopotamian information simply because I have discovered it is often based on outdated or fictional writings...

All of the books I have read at the library by archaeologist list Ningishzidda's wife as "Lady Productive Branch" or "Lady Productive Leaf" Ninazua

Dumuzi is mentioned as accompanying Ningishzidda in the Adapa myth and his wife is almost always named as Inanna.

This is too important to ignore though so I'm going to investigate for sure...so bbl

fun fact: Ningishzidda is connected with the city of Lagash, the patron deity there was Bau, the dog goddess her name means "woof" Tongue, she had seven daughters...


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thanks, can't take all the credit though....m1 supplied much of the conceptual structure...
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Post  LadyHydralisk on Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:29 pm

The Sumerian "nin" means, in general, "queen" and is a common first element in Sumerian divine names. However, as this example (and many others) show, the "nin" must also refer to the masculine. Nin-gišzida is the son of Nin-azu, and so decidedly male. (Indeed, Nin-azu is Nin-gišzida's father, while his wife (and so Nin-gišzida's mother) is Nin-girida!)

For all the details, you can check the entry in the RlA s.v.

[...]


And finally, I have no idea why it is that so many male deities begin NIN-. I just thumbed through the RlA looking through the hundred or so NIN- entries, but none offered any explanation. Alas.


- amarsin


Disclaimer: The opinion presented here is not in print, and not all scholars on the ANE would agree. Note here that this is the interpretation of me, blatantly influenced by stuff I heard from my Sumerian professor. The cuneiform sign with which NIN is written is the slightly simplified depictionof a female vulva on top of a ...thing.
If you look at the sign (a triangle with its point to the right and a line from the tip of the right-hand point to the middle of the vertical line that is to be considered the triangle's base at the left), and turn it around 90°clockwise, you'll be able to see it clearly. Just like thesign AD is the representation of the male genitalia (don'tforget the 90° clockwise turning), the sign NIN is the female representation.

The question why NIN is used for male deities likeNingirsu/Ninurta (essentially the same deity) or Ningishzidda is something that scholars don't really know an answer to.



Ningishzidda and Gizzida Names, November 13th 2007 http://enenuru.proboards52.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=1188607618&page=1#1190780045
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Re: Ningishzidda

Post  deviadah on Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:11 am

Good work!

See this is the kind of stuff that you should do more of. Smile

The link doesn't work unless one is a registered member!

I imagine we look at Ng from different perspectives, and for me when I say female or male I'm really not thinking flesh and blood man and woman as I don't think Ng was neither. Just a personal opinion. Akhnaten, for instance, who was a great Pharao has been though to have been a woman disguised as a man.

Perhaps Ng was the name of the genetcis lab of the aliens that came here? LOL

Who knows... but I really like your research and I will have to look into it some more.

Thanks!

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Re: Ningishzidda

Post  LadyHydralisk on Wed Nov 14, 2007 3:10 pm

I did that stuff months ago, nobody noticed on OF Wink

The other "stuff" I do, in public, is actually my own research on social engineering. Most of my real research I do in private e-mail, some of it is way too delicate to b discussed in public, in front of prying eyes...they wouldn't take it seriously and they don't have the know how to provide further exploration into these subjects at all. (Not necessarily this forum at all - OF and various other forums I frequent but even on Abrahadabra barely anyone could follow me.

I know what I'm doing usually, it's just, I have agendas that run above the system and have accelerated priorities...

But back to Ningishzidda...the sculptural reliefs from Lagash (which I posted on abrahadabra) depict Ningishizidda as a bearded man. Lagash was where Ningishzidda was revered the highest, a community of artists and so on...

However, coming from a tantric background, I do agree with you completely, just as the supreme absolute is manifesting shakti, the feminine, as a secondary principle, or as mahakala, a male deity, is androgynous because his femininity is integrated, so I do realize Ng is an androgynous deity as well...my notes put him down not only in the DNA itself, but beyond that....rooted in the blackness between the strings themselves...

Therefore, not "centered" in the brain at all, like the Olympiads are...which makes him far more dangerous and formidable, and a threat to all kinds of other gods...
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it's like jesus except with #@$%ing instead of walking!

Post  LadyHydralisk on Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:25 pm

Here's a very very x rated image of the mushushu form of Ningishzidda, found on the gates of Ishtar at Babylon, and on Abrahadabra...

http://la.gg/v/daata-fuck_3.jpg

we can't bring up genetic experimentation without mentioning the incredible horniness of the Annunnaki...Enki was especially renowned for seducing the $#1t out of girls...
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Photographs

Post  LadyHydralisk on Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:17 am

A photograph of a statue of King Gudea, the disciple of Ningishzidda and ruler of Lagash, the city in which Ng was quite prominent:





A photograph of Ningishzidda leading Gudea up some steps towards what supposedly may be Enki or Ninurta (it is broken off)



A photograph of the Michaux stone, depicting the same mushushu dragon and elucidating an alchemical process:



Here is an important diagram indicating the difference between dumbass wizards and Ningishzidda:

http://www.la.gg/upl/lordngisnotvoldemort.jpg
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Post  deviadah on Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:59 am

So what are you thoughts on the whole alien race thing with regards to Ng and the Annanuki?

Some truth to it or just bollocks?

Confused

For those unaware the short version is that the Annanuki were an alien race that came to Earth to create human beings using DNA genetics!

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Re: Ningishzidda

Post  LadyHydralisk on Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:38 pm

The Zetcharin Sitchin debris?

I don't know, it all seems like a bunch of hype to me, and perhaps Ng views it as useful...I don't proclaim to know anything about the ways of gods, but I do know a lot about marketing strategy...

As far as aliens go, I do believe they exist, and I have quite enough experiences and family history to know on my own part, somewhat, that they exist and are here among us already. But this doesn't really enter into my life very much, they are a very minor detail that I only discuss when someone brings it up.

And of course, there is the situation that we are all some type of "alien" even the gods are simply aliens of a type we humans have a very difficult time imaging as being interstellar travellers that journey from solar system to solar system, to check up on their girlfriends or internal affairs...

This goes right down back to the dawn of time where the Absolute encounters it's own reflection in nothingness...or myriad other ways of putting it..."aliens" are simply another facet of reality.

So sure.....but it doesn't mean that that alien is as big as 2-300 galaxies...encompassing entire realms of existence upon one mindform...
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Re: Ningishzidda

Post  LadyHydralisk on Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:32 pm

LadyHydralisk:

My understanding was that Ningishzidda was a male deity,
husband to Ninazua (Lady productive branch) and his name meant "Lord of
the Good Tree"

us4-he2-gal2:

Well L.H., This is certainly one Ive been figuring on
getting to, and this would be a good pretext. Ning̃išhzida (I'm using
the rendering of the name as it appears in a recent scholarly
publication. But my tilde wont get over my g as its supposed to..) is a
deity who has incurred much speculation and comparison I notice from a
moments googleing around. There would appear to be three main source's
for perspective on this deity:

1. People who take the sign on the ambulance and work backwards in a horrible sequence of comparison
2. Thorkild Jacobsen
3. Papers and articles primarily from sometime around 1902 which focus on the instance of Gishzida in the story of Adapa.


I enjoy Jacobsen, and your understanding accords well there. Thats who
I lean on in the case, and I dont think it would be wise to draw from 1
or 3 at all.


To start with I am looking through a book "The Temples of Ancient
Mesopotamia" by A.R George [1993] this books is a wonderful resource
for temples. With careful referencing and some difficulty, Cohens
accompanying notes may provide further leads.

The author in this book has some 1449 temple entries, the following 8 correspond to our Deity

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Post  deviadah on Sat Nov 17, 2007 8:45 am

I haven't made up my mind up, but I tend to try and look at things first from a boring and logical angle before I apply any sort of mysticism, and so far Ng is nothing but a representation of DNA, or the DNA process. That is why he might also be a she, like the X and Y.

Check out this post...

But I am not saying you are wrong... I've just not decided 100% yet where to cast my vote, and after all we can't really know for sure since it all took place thousands of years ago! But it's great fun to speculate!

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Post  LadyHydralisk on Sat Nov 17, 2007 9:23 am

Deviadah you are familiar with the concepts of The Supreme Absolute?

In this manifestation of supreme reality, the masculine contains the feminine within it...ie, it exists as a component of The Absolute which is neither wholly male nor female, but when it manifests in the realm of forms, this form is referred to as being masculine in nature.

You see it in Buddhism constantly, where the non-dualistic supreme boddhisattva descends and splits off into two separate parts, a female deity representing wisdom, and a male deity representing compassion.

So actually...

I completely agree with you on many levels.

I just don't think that viewing Ng as *primarily* female is as archaeologically authentic as regarding him as masculine containing all feminine - after all, he is the tree, his wife is the branch...this indicates to me that he was regarded in a similar form as the gods depicted in the Tibetan thangkas, the trinity of

Absolute form

On the contrary I don't find logic boring at all, I am in fact a very logical person who utilizes chaos theory in equations.

To say that Ng is *nothing* but DNA is a wild flight of the imagination, since we know that Ancient Sumer did not have any hard knowledge of DNA itself like we do today. What they *had* were tree roots and serpents and all manner of twisting forms which tend to excite the eye anyways (I'm an artist, I know what looks good to fleshly eyes)

So logically, it's best to look at it from an ancient perspective first before we start diving into all sorts of speculation.

My own speculations about Ng actually go way beyond DNA alone, which I think has recieved far too much attention in metaphysical literature - while it is interesting, it's nowhere near as complex as some other cosmological features indicated by science today. Both the holographic universe and string theory also share some similarities here, and now we have the plasmic universe model which as I indicated earlier this year on Abrahadabra, also has a twining form....

I've been enjoying your posts on Abrahadabra by the way, keep up the good work - wish I could join in but I barely have any time these days as it is....Smile
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Post  deviadah on Sun Nov 18, 2007 12:23 pm

Interesting... there is certainly a lot to think about.

While looking for something on Gnosticism I stumbled upon this:

List of Dragons

I thought it could interest you, if you haven't come across it before. But I know you like dragons...

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Post  LadyHydralisk on Sun Nov 18, 2007 12:26 pm

Great compilation, thanks Deviadah...you're so damned helpful. What's wrong with you? Confused Suspect
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Post  deviadah on Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:48 pm

LadyHydralisk wrote:What's wrong with you?
Oh, I only suffer from THIS Tongue

And also I am just trying to benefit mankind in any large, or small, way!

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Re: Ningishzidda

Post  LadyHydralisk on Wed Nov 21, 2007 1:00 am

I understand, I've been suffering from cat naps lately....

Now mind you, insomnia could just be your natural state of awareness coming forward to take charge...
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